"Climate scientists have no purpose unless global warming exists" Really? They would have nothing to do?
Topic: Global data research
June 20, 2019 / By Deye Question:
I have seen this claim in several posts. I didn't realize that climate scientists would be without employment if global warming trends did not continue. Does this mean there would no longer be any climate for them to study? (Or perhaps just not interesting enough to require such scientists.) And does this then mean that before global warming trends were published, there were no climate scientists? And doesn't that mean that if we can either disprove or stop global warming, economies worldwide can save the enormous sums of money currently spent on climate scientists? (And that's not even counting all the money that is paid to them to buy them off and produce the global warming hoax!)
But isn't this like a chicken-or-the-egg question? Were there really no climate scientists before global warming? Or is it like the tree falling in the forest producing sound?
So I'm confused. Explanations please?
(I never would have imagined some of these truths if I hadn't started visiting the global warming forum.)
Best Answers: "Climate scientists have no purpose unless global warming exists" Really? They would have nothing to do?
Beverley | 7 days ago
Really this is one of the lamest denier arguments, and that's saying a lot.
Scientists have studied the global climate for decades. It's a very important thing to understand - whether or not it's currently changing rapidly and dangerously - considering how dependent we are on the climate. Scientists would still continue to study the climate even if we weren't concerned about AGW.
So then the deniers shift their argument to claim that climate scientists are being 'alarmist' in order to increase their funding. Which really makes no sense, since most scientists are on a fixed salary which doesn't come out of their research grants (although their employing institutions do expect them to get grants and do research). But this conspiracy theory begs 2 major questions.
1) Why isn't anyone calling them on it? Why isn't John Christy saying that his fellow climate scientists are falsifying data in order to get more grant money? He may dispute their data or conclusions, but he doesn't claim they're purposefully falsifying data.
2) Why don't scientists in other fields do the same? Why don't astrophysicists tell us there's a meteor on a trajectory to hit the Earth, and they need more grant money to study it? Why don't biologists tell us there's some horrible disease that will kill millions of people if they don't get grant money to find a cure?
These conspiracy theories are always made by non-scientists who don't understand how the scientific community works. Frauds don't survive.
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