Catholic's for years i heard that?
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July 17, 2019 / By Royal Question:
Annulments simply means that marriages never happened at all. Even after kids and what not catholics always said that annulments mean that the marriage never took place at all in the first place.
I finally learned that annulment means the marriage still took place, it just wasn't what a marriage is supposed to be so the ideal marriage never took place. Why didn't anyone explain it clearly before since i heard the first explaination probably over 100 times in a row.
Also, i'm still confused about grounds for annulments. Main reasons to grant an annulment is a reason "at the time of the wedding, one or both parties to the marriage lacked sufficient capacity for marriage; that one or both parties failed to give their consent to marriage as the Church understands and proclaims it"
so this basically means that you had to have been insane at the time of the marriage or probably insanely drunk in Vegas.
Doesn't the church bring up other reasons to grant annulments instead of insanity? because that's all they ever write about and it doesn't make a lot of sense.
no fixed address, that's what i'm asking about. I already know about conditions before the marriage, what about afterwords? What if the husband has affairs or the wife is abusive. (that's not a real marriage).
All these articles from catholics don't talk about that.
misty, can you expound on your last paragraph, that is what i'm wondering about
thanks rbc, i read that last week and it was one of the few articles that made any sense.
Misty, so i have another question. Why doesn't the church ever talk about this instead of always refering to the concept that the married couple was insane on the wedding night. Obviously, sin in marriage effects all of us and wouldn't this be grounds for annulment more than insanity?
James, so your saying that what matters is the things leading up to the marriage but not during the marriage?
Oh my goodness Born again Catholic. Your putting me back to square one. I don't think i'll ever understand this. Either catholics don't know their own beliefs or its too confusing to supposed to understand.
LH, so how do you explain misty's answer?
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Morgan | 3 days ago
Thy wife must surrender her body for the marriage to be valid. If she refuses she can be refused the right to live in her Lords castle
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Originally Answered: Has anyone heard a Catholic criticize the pope's decision to quit his job?
Have you ever read 1984? Orwell, who went to a Catholic school, described a society whose rulers had the slogan "Whoever controls the present controls the past". There was a vast bureaucracy that kept on rewriting old newspapers and books. It was a capital offence to think that there was a real past different to the official line.
The Catholic Church is a bit like that. When I was a kid we were told that babies who died went to a place called Limbo - They did not get to enter the adult Heaven. Today, that idea has been thrown away. It is claimed that it was never really an official doctrine of the Church at all! They are changing the past.
It used to be that every Catholic prayer book had something like (60 days) or (7 years) written after every prayer. We were taught that in the Middle ages Catholics had to spend years wearing sackcloth and ashes. This was a way of building up spiritual wealth, so that you ended up happier when you went to Heaven. Everyone was happy in Heaven, but the ones who had worn horrible clothes for years at a time would be even happier still.
But the modern church had set it up so that if you spent a few seconds saying a prayer that had (60 days) written after it, you would get as much spiritual wealth as if you had spent 60 days wearing sackcloth and ashes. One prayer had (7 years) written after it. In a couple of minutes you could get as much spiritual benefit as if you had spent an entire lifetime wearing sackcloth.
Once enough people were just a little bit educated, they stopped believing such rubbish. By the 1960's, small children believed it - but not far long. I think the monks at the school I went to were embarrassed to have to teach stuff that scarcely any Catholics still believed.
Today? Many Catholics refuse to believe that any of this happened. Or they claim that no one ever really took it seriously, but tens of millions of us can remember that, of course, many did.
A few weeks ago being Pope was for life. Now it has changed! It is an intelligent change, it makes a lot more sense to resign when too old and tired.
But the Catholic Church never changes!
So all the memories of being told "Being a pope is like getting married - it lasts till death" ... those memories must go.
Annulments address the situation at the time the marriage took place, not afterward. There are not all that many reasons for the sacrament to have been invalid from the beginning: Consanguinity, coercion or pressure to marry instead of entering into it freely, the intention at the time of marriage to not have children, the inability to understand the marriage vows, etc. Many couples assume that if one of them commits adultery after the marriage, that's grounds for annulment all by itself. Not true. The diocesan tribunal looks at the state of mind and intentions of those two people at the time they spoke their marriage vows. A valid marriage does not have to be a "good" one. The Church doesn't expect someone to stay in an abusive relationship, of course, and acknowledges that sometimes it's best for the parties to separate -- but neither of them is free to marry again in the Church while the other spouse still lives, without obtaining an annulment.
Edit: Dear, I understand your frustration, but the experts on the ins and outs of annulment are canon lawyers and the diocese, not ordinary laypeople. We're trying to answer you to the best of our knowledge based on what you've given us. Instead of beating your head against a wall with sorting out the perceptions of individual Catholics on this, try going to the source. Get in touch with your local diocesan tribunal and ask them. Many of them even have contact information on the diocese web site; if not, then your parish priest should help you get the answers you seek.
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An annulment means the marriage was not a valid sacrament. It was still a legal marriage and the children born of that union, are still legitimate children.
Sometimes, people enter into marriage under false pretenses. They may lie about what they have done or are willing to do...such as being open to life. If you find out after the marriage that your spouse lied to you about important things such as a previous marriage, sexual orientation, etc. your marriage can be declared invalid. This is because both parties must be fully informed and aware at the time of the commitment and sacrament. One party being lied to makes the sacrament invalid because they were not fully informed when they made the commitment.
Another reason could be coercsion. If a woman is pregnant and coerces or is coerced into marriage. Each person must be entering into the marriage openly and of their own free will.
Immaturity can sometimes be a reason, persons who at the time, were not capable of fully understanding the sacrament and commitment of marriage.
There are other reasons, the obvious adultery, incest, polygamy, and that kind of thing. Each case is looked at carefully. Witness forms must be filled out. Both parties must give their side and understanding of the marriage and relationship. Annulments are not guaranteed to anyone. There are many that are denied.
ADDED: Something like adultery can allow an annulment because one person didn't live up to their end of the covenant. When you enter into marriage, you enter into a covenant with your spouse and with God. The covenant is binding on all three parties. When one breaks the covenant, the sacrament can be declared invalid because it means that the person did not fully understand the sacrament when entering into it. It's not so cut and dry...if a man cheats on his wife because they are going through a rough time in their relationship, and he falls into temptation, but is sorry, confesses to his wife and to God, does penance and works to repair his marriage, then he does understand the sacrament of marriage, he gave into sin but sin does not dissolve the marriage. On the other hand if that same man cheats on his wife because he self-centered, doesn't care if he hurts her, doesn't care about his wedding vows, etc. he is showing that he never took seriously his commitment or the sacrament of marriage. If he did, he would not be able to behave in that way.
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Religion is a slip-shod affair with slip-shod logic and every law has an exemption.
In Islam you have a form of legal prostitution in the form of temporary marriages. You marry the girl, have sex, then immediately divorce. This gives a man an exeption to the four wife rule of Muhammed.
In Judaism [I'm a humanistic Jew raised in an orthodox home] the Torah prohibits working on the Sabbath, so you get around it by hiring a Shabbes Goy or Sabbath Gentile to mow your lawn or clean the house instead of you. This is legal in Judaism, even the orthodox do this to get around their own stupid laws.
In Catholicism, remarriage after divorce is forbidden.
So how do you do get around this rule?
Easy, if the former marriage was secular as in those Vegas chapels or done by a Protestant or Rabbi or other type of clergyman or woman, then the marriage is as far as the COR goes null and void. It never happened and any children in the eyes of the clergy are bastards. However, their souls can still be saved.
In Catholicism, your imaginary soul is the most important part of you and the body matters not one iota, nor your happiness, your marriage or sex life or anything else. It teaches slavish worship of tradition over common sense. Slowly this is eroding and the Church will be forced to adapt to reality and modern thought or go extinct.
Protestantism is dying too so Protestants have no reason to gloat over the impending death of the monolith the COR. As one freethinker wrote "Christianity is done, played out, over with. Whatever good it has done is done. There's nothing to do now but remove the corpse before it begins to stink."
No faith that is so out of touch with science and reality and modern humanistic ideas will survive into the future, only those faiths like Buddhism or Taoism with its simple naturalistic philosophy or Vedanta [Hinduism purified of stupidity like the Caste system] will likely survive. I believe Islam is also slowly evolving in a secular direction, opposed by a minority of extreme fundamentalist *******.
The further in the future we go, the more educated mankind is on average, the more humanistic our thoughts and naturalism and realism will replace supernaturalism and its magical thinking and irrationalism.
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lack of free choice
are some of other grounds for annulment
A marriage must be invalid from the beginning to be annulled
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Originally Answered: Christians, I'm 13 years old and considering becoming a catholic priest. Should I do it?
My bible has 73 books.Make sure you get a Catholic bible such as the NAB instead of the KJV Your 13 and have not learned all about your Catholic faith yet. You ask too many questions in one question so I will answer one ok.
First, a definition is in order: what is Purgatory?
Purgatory is not Hell minus a few torments and degrees Fahrenheit; it's not Heaven minus joy. It's not a "Third Final Destination" of souls. Purgatory is simply the place where already saved souls are cleansed of the temporal effects of sin before they are allowed to see the holy face of Almighty God. Revelation 21:27 tells us that "...nothing unclean will enter [Heaven]."
Daniel 12:2, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Hebrews 12:14, Hebrews 12:22-23, 1 Peter 4:6 and Revelation 21:10, 27 all speak of Purgatory in their telling of the need for purification, prayers for the dead, Christ's preaching to the dead, or how nothing unclean will see God.
prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45),
Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7),
intercession of dead saints (2 Maccabees 15:14),
and intercession of angels as intermediaries (Tobit 12:12-15).
Even the The Talmud speaks of Purgatory:
"The judgment of the wicked in purgatory is twelve months."
Rosh HaShanah 16b-17a:
"It has been taught that the school of Shammai says: "There will be three groups on Judgment Day (yom haDin):
The completely righteous will be recorded and sealed at once for eternal life. The completely wicked will be recorded and doomed at once to Gehinnom, as it says: "And many who sleep in the dust of the earth shall rise up, some to eternal life and some to shame and eternal rejection" [Daniel 12:2]. Those in between will go down to Gehinnom and cry out and rise up, as it says: "And I will bring the third part through the fire and refine them as silver is refined and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name and I will answer them" [Zechariah 13:9]
Rabbi Shammai (50 BC - AD 30), one of the two main teachers of early rabbinical Judaism, also is on record as having interpreted Zechariah 13:9 as referring to a state of purification after death. Isaiah 66:15-16 and Malachi 3:2-3 were also interpreted in rabbinic literature as referring to the purgatorial process, and the same theme is reflected in Wisdom 3:1-7 and II Maccabees 12:43-45, both contained in the Deuterocanonical
That there are temporal effects of sin is obvious when one considers that even those who have been baptized, who have a deep and intimate relationshp with Jesus, who are the "elect" or "the saved/being saved," or what have you, are subject to pain, work, death and sickness.
The best way to understand the idea of already being forgiven but still having to be cleansed of the temporal effects of sin is by analogy: imagine you are the parent of a 7-year old child who steals a candy bar from the local grocery. The child is repentant, in tears, sobbing his apologies. You, being the good parent (as God, our Father is!) forgive that child and love him and show him your mercy. But being a good parent means that you are also just and will expect that child to pay back the store. Purgatory is God's way of forgiving us, loving us, showing us His mercy and justice -- and making us "pay back the store." Can you imagine what would happen to the child of a parent who never expected that child to "pay back the store" (especially when that same parent believed also that there was nothing that child could do to become "disinherited," as in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine)?
Purgatory is His way of ensuring that Revelation 21:27 is true and that nothing unclean will see Heaven. It is only through Christ's sacrifice that we are shown this mercy! It is Christ and Christ alone Who allows us access to the Father.
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